Daniel Alarcón: this is a traveling radio from NPR, I'm Daniel Alarcón.
Joanna Hausmann: I believe that as a comedian I understand the world in a way that I do not need explanations of the beyond, because I can understand it through critically thinking.
Alarcón: This is Joanna Hausmann.Comedian.He has lived almost 30 years in the United States but has always been closely linked to Venezuela, where their parents are.Since 2014 he began making videos in which he speaks with humor, among other things, of xenophobia, racism, anxiety, what happens in Venezuela, the particularities of Spanish ....
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J.Hausmann: Hi Everybody, I’m Joanna and I’M Your Spanish Teacher Today.Welcome.
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Emplagar is the feeling you get when you’ve had like too many sweets ... it's like...
Alarcón: Ok, but today's episode is not about comedy.It is scary.We bring it at this time that is fun for some, irrelevant to others, terrifying for several.That date of ghosts, fright, scares, witches, beliefs, superstitions ... exact: Halloween.
And today's story is how that rational mind of Johanna was tested.
J.Hausmann: I felt half proud of me for not believing all these things.That was part of my personality.
Alarcón: But that pride lasted until one day ... well, a night in which he could not find an explanation to what was happening to him.
I must say, in case it is not clear that what they will hear after this brief pause is a real story.
We'll be back.
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Alarcón: We are back on Radio Ambulante.
Our producer David Trujillo tells us the story.
David Trujillo: Era 2016 and Joanna worked for a television channel.Around that year they called her for a proposal.
J.Hausmann: They tell me: we have a job in Miami, you will go to film a commercial.
Trujillo: His relationship with Miami has been narrow for a long time.He has family and friends there, and has always seen him as a destination to have fun, rest ... holidays.The work proposal sounded very well.
J.Hausmann: You have to spend two nights there and, calm, we are going to invite you to the best hotel in Miami, it will be totally relax until you have to work, you will like the plan.And I ok, let's.
Trujillo: He traveled a few days later.He arrived in Miami in the afternoon and a driver picked it up at the airport.The idea was to take her to the hotel, to rest, and the next day, very early, she would pick her up there again and take her to the recording studio.
J.Hausmann: And I remember that we arrived at, like the entrance of the hotel and it is this building that did not look like any building that I had seen in Miami.
Trujillo: For her Miami was a new city, full of modern constructions.But this hotel was the opposite.
J.Hausmann: It was a building like old, perhaps more classic.I felt that I was in another era because it looked like a hotel from another era.And I like Wow, I was impressed.
Trujillo: It was wide, with many windows and balconies.The roofs had mud tiles, and the walls were painted from a cream and white yellow.In the middle there was a high tower that ended in Punta.It was noted that it was an old construction and clearly wanted to keep that style.
J.Hausmann: Under my bags and enter the lobby.I remember that it was like a lobby with many bushes, with as architecture as older, very classic, very beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, that is, a beauty of lobby.And I don't know very well how to explain you, but I didn't feel good.I felt that I was in the past.
Trujillo: But quickly the people of the reception received it and behaved very friendly.That made her feel more comfortable.I was clearly in one of Miami's best hotels and that showed.The construction could be old, but everything was very well restored and decorated.That first impression of discomfort that produced him did not make any sense.
J.Hausmann: And I like Oh, Joanna, take off two.That is, you might expect one more, newer hotel, but this...What you are feeling is that this ... this...It is an older building, that's all.And I ok, give him, give him, calm down.Do not be ridiculous.
Trujillo: He grabbed the key to his room and entered the elevator.When he arrived on the floor, he doesn't remember what he was, but he was tall, he got off with his suitcase and started walking around the hallway.He was not decorated, except for a detail on the walls that Joanna caught her attention.
J.Hausmann: the only thing I saw were black and white photos of how the past of the hotel, which really told me as: I don't know what is the point of putting all these photos of people who are surely dead.
Trujillo: They were photos of golf games or people on the beach ... people looked happy, with summer clothes for years ago.It was inevitable that Joanna thought of a movie.
J.Hausmann: He felt a bit like The Shining.
Trujillo: The glow ... the classic horror movie that takes place in a hotel.
J.Hausmann: I open the door of my room, it is a spectacular room.I mean, a room beauty: I have like a...A room for me, I have a separate half room.There is a spectacular view, so beautiful palm trees, all green.That is, things don't feel old, they don't feel used, they feel new, but from another era.
Trujillo: Suddenly he felt a chest pressure.A strange, sudden pressure ... the first intuition he had was that it was something ....supernatural ... but immediately rejected that idea.There had to be a logical explanation, there is always.That learned from his dad.
J.Hausmann: My dad studied Physics.Logic was the most important in my home.Ah, a door closed.Logically what happened is that, well, there was a window open in a room, another window open in another and something happened and already.That is, physics, physics closed the door.
Trujillo: Your mother is the one who has explanations, say, less rational.If a door was closed...
J.Hausmann: It was oh, something entered there.It may be a spirit.And it's like not, well, but what about physics?
Trujillo: For her her mother is more spiritual, if you can pigeonhole that way.Perhaps it is related to that side of his family that is Cuban and, although the mother is not Catholic, it does have a spiritual tradition that does not necessarily have to do with religion.
J.Hausmann: my grandmother and my aunts and some of my uncles, that is, they had their virgin, obviously.Then there were all these rituals and beliefs that were a bit absurd: if you lose something, pray to the saint who crucified next to Jesus and he comes and returns it to you because he was the one who stole it.
Trujillo: Do not be religious to ask for such favors.More than religion, it is a matter of very old traditions.There are saints for all kinds of miracles, and I know very well: every time a ray falls my mother says "Ay, holy bárbara blessed", because it is supposed to be the one who is able to end an electric thunderstorm.If you are looking for a couple, it is best to put a figure from San Antonio upside down and pray.Santa Lucía helps with eyes problems, and San Fiacro cures hemorrhoids.Now, if what you ask is too crazy, if you get out of any logic, if you go far beyond any human effort, do not worry, there is San Judas Tadeo, that of the impossible causes.Exactly impossible ... when I say there are saints for absolutely everything I think I'm not exaggerating.
And not only are the saints.There are also all kinds of rituals for different things.If they are simple situations there are simple superstitions.For example, my mother once told me that putting a broom behind the door makes an unwanted visit quickly.For more complex things, such as avoiding bad luck for life, there are complex things.
J.Hausmann: For example, when we are all having dinner and someone falls out, immediately "Ay, Échala pa behind ... oh, bad eye"."Oh what will happen to us".And I like it, but we don't even believe in anything and we are doing all these things in case there is Bad Luck.It does not make any sense.
Trujillo: But yes, no matter how atheist and incredulous, he does admit that from time to time he goes to any of those rituals.Nothing very elaborate, just things like touch.I think that I also do it without believing it much, because ... well...you never know.Better prevent.
Although believing in Santos, ghosts, appearances, fright, bad energies ... that definitely did not enter Joanna's head.Finding rational explanations is his way of taking away fear: what has no logic, does not exist.Spot.
Therefore, when I was in the hotel room and felt that strange pressure in the chest, I already had an explanation at hand.The most obvious: asthma, which has had a lifetime.Maybe there was a trigger: it could be the weather, the air conditioning, or some dust ... Joanna grabbed her inhaler, oppressed a couple of times, breathed and opened the windows.There was nothing weird.At that time it seemed a good idea to go to the gym for a while.
They were about 8 at night.The gym was in the subsoil.To get Joanna, he had to go down large stairs, full of ostentatious decorations, but the gym itself did not seem as beautiful as the rest of the hotel.It was more like a basement to which a lot of machines were put to exercise.
There were more guests.For the first time, Joanna, who is very outgoing and likes to talk, saw people different from reception employees.
J.Hausmann: I felt good at that time, being surrounded by people and, you know, how to try to make conversations with the guy doing weights and that hello!Wow, Good Job.Know?I try to conversation because I really had been alone for two hours.And, well, I move on the treadmill, I start jogging.
Trujillo: And almost immediately, a kind of allergic reaction began to appear on the right side of his body.
J.Hausmann: my chest, my arm and part of my face was red.But when I tell you red, that's how a rejection of something.And I may not be that I have an allergy here too, it makes no sense.
Trujillo: there was no itching, or burning ... I had never suffered from allergies in the skin, but those reactions can appear at any time in life and for many reasons.So he decided to stop the exercise and ask for an antihistamine to a hotel employee.Then he went up to his room.
When his arm was checked, he noticed that the red had disappeared.Queer.But it didn't give much importance and the pill was taken to avoid reappearing.As he had to get up very early, he preferred to bathe, eat something.While getting ready to sleep, the TV turned on for a while.They were about 10 at night.
J.Hausmann: And I wake up at midnight with the sound of a commercial campaign for Trump.What a nightmare, right?I mean, I woke up with someone who: Trump, The Next President of the United States.
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Donald Trump: I am Donald Trump, and I Approve this Message.
J.Hausmann: And I, Uff, what is this?And I realize that television in front of me was on full volume, almost to the maximum.
Trujillo: He started touching the bed with his hands looking for remote control.I had left it there shortly before falling asleep.He found it, turned off the TV and put it on the night table.Of course, he was very scared, but he sure lay on the control without realizing it, turned on the TV and raised the volume.You can pass.
He tried to fall asleep again.
J.Hausmann: An hour later, I hear: do you have moderate to severe Plate Psychiasis?And I pussy, it's already, what's going on here?Television turned on again, in full volume.
Trujillo: Joanna tried to think about some logical explanation ... the logic that has always helped him against fear.But this time, I wasn't serving much.
J.Hausmann: one goes for life and forgets that the heart is beating, but in times of fear one is so aware of his heart because he is present.My heart was present.Then I turned on the rooms from the room because I said ... I don't know.
Trujillo: Disconnected the TV.There it was impossible for him to set again.He went to the bathroom and threw water on his face.He tried to calm down and returned to bed to try to sleep.A few minutes later, he began to hear voices that came from the room in his room ... were two: a male and a female.They sounded like whispers.
J.Hausmann: And it was like (whispers).So.And me, my heart and that pum, pum, pum, pum, pum, pum.And like Joanna, my God, that is, you are a non -religious person.You think we die and there is nothing beyond.That is, Joanna.
Trujillo: Was it hallucinating?He once knew that in several houses in the United States where they reported to see ghosts, there were actually gas leaks that made people see or listen to things that did not exist.And that could be really dangerous, a justified fear.But I didn't feel that smell of gas so obvious.It could also be the dream produced by antihistamines ... or something like that, because what else: there could be no one in the room, nobody.If it came out, I was going to check.It was the only way to calm down.
So he walked to the door of the room and looked slowly, as without wanting to see what could be found.Indeed, there was no one.
J.Hausmann: But I see that my room's television is on.And I didn't even know where the television control was.And while I was ... Oh no.And while watching television, the volume is increased.And there I panic, a superhuman fear, a fear that I had not felt before.
Trujillo: He felt like in another world.He disconnected that other TV, turned on all the lights and opened the curtains.Sleep was already impossible.I was too distressed.
As little was missing for dawn and in a few hours they would pick it up, it was best to bathe.Some explanation had to have all this, I did not know which time, but there was.Then I would think better and calm.
But the bathroom did not help her a lot to calm down: it was narrow and all the walls were of intense red ...
J.Hausmann: I get under the shower and close my eyes, and listen (noises).
Trujillo: He looked towards the bathroom mirror, which was already tarnished by hot water vapor.He saw only his reflected silhouette, but realized something ...
J.Hausmann: there is a hair dryer like sticking to the wall, and it is turning on and off.I turn off the shower.I grab the towel, leaving the bathroom, I fall.I put my clothes, wet hair ... that is, and I go out as quickly as I can of that room.I left everything on.
Trujillo: He went down to lobby, but tried to hide fear.Who was going to believe everything that had just happened?After a while the car arrived that had collected it the day before.He felt a little relieved when he got.To dissipate the mind began to talk with the driver.At one point the man asked how the night had happened...
J.Hausmann: And I, look, honestly, I slept very, very, very badly, I slept lousy, and I started laughing.
Trujillo: Now that he talked to someone, this sounded like he could become one of his videos.Maybe he could include it in his comedy show and laugh at herself and how naive it was to have scared for something so dumb.Sure had been a failure in the electrical circuit.
Between laughs, he told the driver: this will sound strange, but I felt as if there was someone in my room.
J.Hausmann: And I laugh again, because I already know what this guy is going to tell me, like oh, how crazy she's pushes.
Trujillo: But no.The driver did not laugh.
J.Hausmann: It responds in a very serious way, and he said: Oh, that makes all the meaning of the world.This is the Most Haunted Hotel In Florida, and One of the Most Haunted Hotels in America.
Alarcón: According to the driver, Joanna was staying at the most haunted hotel in Florida, and one of the most haunted in the United States: the Bartmore hotel.
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Before the pause, Joanna Hausmann had had a very strange experience at the hotel where he was staying.Although, thinking about it, maybe there was a failure in the electrical circuit of the room.It was best to laugh at what happened and forget about the subject.
But the driver who picked her up that morning told her that her story made all her meaning because that was one of the most haunted hotels in the country.
J.Hausmann: And I felt two things there.One: Oh, My God!And two: I'm not crazy.
Alarcón: Joanna wanted to know more ...
J.Hausmann: It's already, it's already going, it's already going.Explain to me.And he explains me.
Alarcón: David Trujillo continues to tell us ...
Trujillo: The driver knew the story of the Biltmore hotel well.It is one of Miami's most emblematic buildings, and was declared a National Historic Monument in 1996.
It was built in the Coral Gables area in the mid -20s when Florida was having a great real estate boom.Its main tower, of 96 meters, is inspired by La Giralda, the bell tower of the Cathedral of Seville, in Spain.
The driver told him that from the beginning it was a luxury hotel in which the dances, parties, aquatic shows and golf tournaments were very common ... Those happy years of 20 of which are talked about so much.There celebrities, politicians and billionaires from all over the world.But apart from the luration and fun there were also bleak moments: in 1929 there was murdered a gangster in the middle of a game of cards and illegal consumption of alcohol.It is said that the famous gangster al Capone stayed there when he visited the city.
But the excesses and preference of the clients for staying close to the beach made the hotel finances decay.Little by little he became unsustainable, and in the 40s, in the middle of World War II, the United States government made him a military hospital.
Joanna was intrigued and the driver continued with the story.Told him...
J.Hausmann: But look, look at you, the gym was the morgue.
Trujillo: At no time had Joanna mentioned her experience in the gym and the allergy that appeared to her.
J.Hausmann: But there my hair began on my skin.If 24 hours before someone had told me that story, I would have laughed.That is, how ridiculous this person!
Trujillo: At that time the driver had all his attention.If something could not den.For years he remained abandoned and the rumor ran that strange things happened there.The children in the area used to enter to check if I was really haunted.
In the early 80s, the local government, which had been left with the property a few years earlier, began to restore it.In 1986 a city medium published a chronicle about the strange experiences that the building guards had had: by the security cameras they saw wheelchairs marks on the floor that were later erased.They also listened to terrifying shouts on the nights that came from the highest floors.In the end, the journalist says: It is a pity that the Biltmore hotel has not yet reopened.It would be a great place to spend Halloween night.
That happened a year later.Biltmore was reopened like a luxury resort, but remained with that mysterious veil.It was as if the new administrators had not struggled to take away the reputation of being one of the most haunted places in the country.On the contrary, articles and videos about their history continued to appear, and even events in the hotel where ghost stories were told.
The driver finished off with this ...
J.Hausmann: I have collected several people in this hotel.You are not the first person that I collect that tells me that he could not sleep that night and that he felt that there was someone in his room.I am not surprised at the least what you are telling me.
Trujillo: When Joanna told me that, we wanted to verify what the driver told her: that there were more people with similar stories.
Man: Incredible energy.How would I tell you?It is an exotic place for me.
Trujillo: We find this person who is involved with the hotel for some time.He preferred that we would not say his name.So describe al Biltmore.
Man: it is a place that you enter there and it seems that you are in another part of the universe, you are where you think you can be.
Trujillo: He said that the hotel is full of terrifying stories and has heard them for years.Like that of a worker who during a night, while distributing newspapers, he found a woman dressed in white, barefoot and with gray hair to the waist.
Man: And he greeted him, you know, thus more or less disturbed and then grabbed the elevator and found it on the next floor.And he said but how did this lady go so fast that she is here again?In one of those changes that she arrived in the lobby, she suddenly is in the hallway again with the lady and says that when she looks again, she lost her image.Again he saw it.
Trujillo: or that of a guest that one night went naked to the lobby.
Man: that he wanted to leave, he wanted to leave, that he did not want to be there, that he felt that they moved him the bed, that I do not know what.That was what is said.
Trujillo: even that of his wife, who when he stayed a night a night ago, had to leave at dawn because he felt strange noises and vibrations in his room.
There is also this woman who has stayed at Biltmore, Christy Woods.He says he felt a strange presence.
Christy Woods: It Just Feels Like Sumone is always looking at you or over you.It feels mainly with the room or the bathroom ... and Constantly Turned Left or Right anticipating that i’m going to see sumone.
Trujillo: He says: It's as if someone is looking at you all the time.It feels mainly in the room or in the bathroom.He constantly looked right and left thinking that he was going to see someone.
Woods: offen times I feel like and see subjecting move across my vision, whether it be peripheral or If i’m looking into the mirror i feel like i see a shadow.But i can’t for soute say.The Only Thing I Know is that there is just a Vary Eerie Feeling.
Trujillo: Many times I feel that I see something moving, either with my peripheral vision or, if I am looking in the mirror, I feel as if I saw a shadow.But I can't be sure.All I know is that there is a very disturbing feeling.
The driver's story terrified Joanna.I was already thinking about changing hotel because it still had one night in Miami.But at that time he had to calm down: he went to a work commitment in which he had to prepare, make up, act, look relaxed ... so he called her husband and told her everything.His reaction was to laugh.Joanna already expected it.Surely at another time he had also laughed but this time he really felt that what he had lived was different.
J.Hausmann: I didn't know the story of the hotel until two seconds ago.What are the chances that I feel all this in what was the morgue, in a room that was a room of hospital?
Trujillo: He decided to call his dad ... who studied physics ... the economist ... the politic.He wanted to let off steam and he would help her calm down ...
This is his dad, Ricardo Hausmann:
Ricardo Hausmann: And I was very distressed and my simplest explanation is that suddenly there was someone with a similar television control in some nearby room who was trying to control his television and was controlling herself.
Trujillo: Ricardo wanted to reassure her, show her a scenario that made her feel safer.
R.Hausmann: The fact that the TV is turned on and turned off was not a reason for her to get so scared, she would be so distorted, she would suffer so much or would like to change hotel.
Trujillo: But hey, if staying elsewhere made her feel better, he encouraged her to do it.It was a practical solution to a real problem: fear.
R.Hausmann: I have no doubt that she felt much fear and was extremely scared, but from there there is a real paranormal world, and so on.I do not say that we understand everything that happens in the world, but the fact that something does not understand does not mean that there are rare spirits that are causing it.
Trujillo: It is not that Ricardo is closed to other explanations, is that he understands the world from science, and that means that he does not stay with the first version of things, but, on the contrary, doubt of everything.In fact, it is much easier to deny a hypothesis than to check it.And so far he has always found the logical way to explain paranormal phenomena.
So is him.To believe you need evidence ... and also contrast it.Joanna's husband is just as skeptic.
J.Hausmann: And today my dad and my husband do not believe me.But since they were not there, they don't understand what has no logic: feeling, fear, everything that is not explained in words.
Trujillo: There he realized that he did not need explanations of what he lived, he needed something else ... so he looked on the other hand.
Ana Julia Jatar: He called me on the phone.MA tells me, I can't believe what happened to me.
Trujillo: This is his mother, Ana Julia Jatar.She is an economist, journalist, writer ...
Jatar: The poor, and genuinely scared was nervous.That is, she was totally convinced that her experience had been real with something supernatural."I am sure there are spirits in this hotel, I leave here".
J.Hausmann: The only person in my family who believed me was my mother.Years ago, she stayed at a hotel in Venezuela and she always told me this story.
Trujillo: The story is this: Ana Julia was always very close to her grandfather, a lens merchant who had customers in different parts of Venezuela.When she died, she, who was about 26, decided to keep the business, and began traveling to these places.
Jatar: And I remember that one night I stayed in one of those little hotelietes of the villages where my grandfather had developed business.And I was sleeping and I felt his presence.I turned like this and I saw how a ... a vibration, as if it were a being made of electricity.At first I was scared.Then I calmed down because I felt it was he thanking me
J.Hausmann: And I remembered all those times that my mother told me that hotel story and did not believe him.And I always said: Oh, that Latin American magical realism, surely my mother was half asleep and saw something.And always like she told me that story and I as I never believed her.
Trujillo: Joanna is not the only one who hasn't believed him, of course.
Jatar: There are friends who ... Oh, Ana Julia is coming with her stories...you know.
Trujillo: But Ana Julia doesn't worry so much...If people believe her and coincides with her, perfect.But also.
Jatar: And I am not for life trying to make others think like me.It seems very boring to me.
Trujillo: He doesn't even try to convince her own husband.
Jatar: My husband is super, this, obviously he does not believe in any of these things, but I told him calm that I wait for you in the little girl.Then, when we move from this dimension to another, I will remind you.
Trujillo: little by little both were understanding that none will change or change the other.
Jatar: He respects me a lot, very much what I think, but he doesn't believe it.And I believe that a healthy coexistence is to respect what the other thinks and maintaining one position.
R.Hausmann: one can relate very well to people with whom one does not share beliefs and try to understand how everyone sees the world.But that does not necessarily imply that one has to change his vision of the world.
Trujillo: It is not worth it because, in reality, this is not that it generates a conflict.They are joined by many other things, among the most important that respect for other ways of seeing the world.How to fall in love with someone so different?Well, maybe they are not so different.
The one that did change with what he lived was Joanna.
J.Hausmann: maybe not so marked, because right now it is not that I believe in things and I believe in ghosts and I can't tell you that I believe it, but I can tell you that I don't know what I think.And I'm open to not knowing.Moreover, I prefer not to know.
Trujillo: And now, if someone tells him a similar story ...
J.Hausmann: I think so, I have more empathy.Now I feel that I can put myself in the shoes of another person when it goes through something like that.
Trujillo: That day in Miami Joanna recorded the commercial feeling uncomfortable and anxious.He spoke with the people on the channel to change her hotel.I didn't plan to stay one more night in that place.They accepted.
When everything ended, he returned to Biltmore.I knew I had to go up your bags to the room.The only idea filled her with fear.But no one else could do it.He breathed deep, called his mother and put her on speaker.It went up quickly.
While keeping things her mother reassured her on the cell phone.He packed everything, grabbed his suitcase and ran down the hall ... He felt the eyes of those people from the photos to black and white.But she just looked forward and focused on the elevator.
Finally arrived at the lobby.He approached the reception and told the man that he attended her that he wanted to do check out, that he was not going to stay that night.
J.Hausmann: And the guy stays seeing and said: Was Everything ok?
Trujillo: Were it all right?
J.Hausmann: And I said: I honestly felt a little uncomfortable in the room.I was watching me, smiled a little, I told you.You don't have to tell me more.And I closed my account.And I left the hotel and I never returned.
ALARCÓN: From that moment, Joanna never goes to a hotel without before looking for her story.If it is not haunted, it stays.
Joanna has a podcast with comedian Jenny Lorenzo, is called Hyphenated and deals with the peculiarities of living between American and Latin American cultures.In episode notes you can find the link to listen to it.
David Trujillo is a carriente producer.He lives in Bogota.
Thanks to Lisette Arévalo and Emilia Erbetta for her great help with this episode.We also want to especially thank Marcela Santana.
This story was edited by Camila Segura and me.Desirée Yépez did the fact-checking.The mixture and sound design are by Andrés Azpiri and Rémy Lozano with original music by Rémy.
The rest of the Radio Ambulante team includes Paola Alean, Nicolás Alonso, Aneris Casassus, Xochitl Fabián, Fernanda Guzmán, Camilo Jiménez Santofimio, Laura Rojas Aponte, Barbara Sawhill, Luis Fernando Vargas and Elsa Liliana Ulloa.
Carolina Guerrero is the CEO.
Radio Ambulante is a podcast of Ambulant Studies, it occurs and mixes in the Hindenburg Pro program.
Radio Ambulante tells Latin America's stories.I am Daniel Alarcón.Thanks for listening.
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